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Source: [sam57]
James Dignan, 08 Oct 2003
Blue, a white saltire, in the center a white disk with a blue D.
(D for Dodero, I assume.)
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 18 Oct 2003
(There is) a variant, per saltire blue (left and right triangles) and
white (upper and lower triangles), a white blue-rimmed oval in the
centre bearing a red 'D'.
Source: Document issued Feb. 1952, reproduced on the Maritime Timetables (images site).
Jan Mertens, 1 Jan 2005
Compañía Argentina de Navegación Dodero. This appears to be a post WW2 successor to Compañia Argentina de Navegación Mihanovich Ltda. with a connection with their managers Agencia Maritima Dodero S.A. According to one source they were nationalized 29.7.1957 with a change of name to Flota Argentina de Navegacion de Ultramar but their name still shows briefly in Lloyds in the early 1960s for ownership of 1 vessel and this may explain the flag shown here as earlier sources of Talbot-Booth 1949 and Stewart 1953 show a diagonal quartered flag of white and blue with overall a white horizontal oval, outlined blue, bearing a red "D" [see image].
Neale Rosanoski, 9 Jan 2005
Compañía Argentina de Navegación (N. Mihanovich
Ltda.), formed by Nicholas Mihanovich — it eventually became
Compañia Argentina de Navegación Mihanovich Ltda. and adopted a diagonally
quartered flag of white (chief) and blue bearing the letters "C" (chief),
"A" (hoist), "N" (fly) and "L" (base) all counterchanged [see image].
Neale Rosanoski, 08 May 2003 and 09 Jan 2005
From the plate [d9e33c] shown in Znamierowski [zna00]:
#375. Cia. Argentina de Nav. (N. Mihanovich Ltda.) - Buenos AiresRed flag with a white M in the middle.
Shipping lines: Buenos Aires - East coast of South America Steam cargos: 23; Steam passenger boats: 25; Motor passenger boats: 6; River boats: 104; Tugboats: 43; Motor cargos: 11; Steam tugboats: 71; Motor tugboats: 7; plus various cattle transportation boats etc. Tonnage of the passenger boats: ca 50,000 Reizt. brutto.
Information in Spanish on this subject is here:
Jan Mertens, 06 Dec 2003
CIAMAR is Compania Argentina de Transportes Maritimos SA, based
in Buenos Aires. The company is still active. The flag is 4:7, with a
geometric patterns difficult to describe. The main element of the flag
is a central red rectangle bearing the company acronym in white.
(Source: Joseph
Nüsse’s website)
Ivan Sache, 21 Aug 2002
Ultramar Group is a port agency serving shippers in ports in
Peru, Chile, Argentina,
Brazil, and Uruguay. The
site shows the company's house flag, per saltire white and blue with a
blue ring surrounding a white disk on the center, and the letter U on it
in blue.
Joe Mcmillan, 02 Jul 2001
It seems that the Ultramar HQ is in Argentina.
António Martins, 01 May 2004
The World Salvage Directory
(http://www.marine-salvage.com/wsd_int.htm)
of the International Salvage Union (ISU) lists the member companies and
show the house flag of some of them (on each individual company page,
linked from the directory). The flag of Remocaldores Ultragas Ltda.
is divided per saltire blue-white-blue-white, with the letter "U" in
blue enclosed in a blue circle, in the middle.
Ivan Sache, 24 Jun 2001
The page
http://www.marine-salvage.com/companypages/ultragas.htm
shows this flag crossed with the ICS signal
flag Zulu.
António Martins, 01 May 2004
At http://www.ultramargroup.com/,
the ring is black and the "U" is blue: Apart from the color difference, the
ratio is slightly more oblong (5:8 instead of ~2:3), and the ring and "U" are
thinner.
António Martins, 01 May 2004
See this recent Maritime Timetable Images page concerning FANU (‘Flota Argentina
de Navegación de Ultramar’):
http://www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/dodero.htm#dodero48.
where we find other, related house flags (white saltire on blue or blue-white
division per saltire) already described by Neale. Second picture, sailing
schedule 1949/1950 (Buenos Aires-London route).
The Río de la Plata Line flew a blue house flag bearing a white saltire and a
blue-rimmed disk in the centre, white, with stylized red initials ‘RP’ (the ‘R’
placed higher than the ‘P’).
Source:
http://www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/dodero49.htm
[Alberto] Dodero founded Compañia Argentina de Navegacion Mihanovich Ltd. Since
then, he was the most important private ship owner of Argentina. In 1942, the
company changed its name to Compañia Argentina de Navegacion Dodero S.A. and the
holding company Río de la Plata (Dodero Group). In 1949 Dodero Group was
nationalized by the government of [General] Peron.
And here, saying that the holding company – named Río de la Plata, Compañía de
Inversiones Marítimas S.A. was founded in april 1943:
As illustrated by the above shipping schedule, not only did Río de la Plata fly
a distinct house flag but operated at least one passenger ship, ‘Presidente
Perón’, as well. The flag must have flown between 1943 and 1949/50.
Jan Mertens, 3 Sep 2008
The houseflag of this Argentinian tugs company is triangle —
white with blue border, charged with bold red R. See:
http://www.rua.com.ar/.
Dov Gutterman, 08 Aug 2003
Sociedad Anónima Importadora y Exportadora de la Patagonia originated
in 1908 as Sociedad Anónima de Importación y Exportación de la
Patagonia, Menéndez, Braun, Blanchard y Cía. Ltda. as a joint venture
formed by the Chilean companies Sociedad Ganadera y Comercial
Menéndez-Behety and Braun & Blanchard, presumably based then in Chile
but moving to Buenos Aires in 1918 and they are shown in Lloyds up
until the mid 1970s.
Their flag was yellow with a red saltire between the black letters "SYEP"
Neale Rosanoski, 04 Feb 2008
From the plate [d9e33c] shown in Znamierowski [zna00]:
#376. Sud Atlantica Soc. Anon. de Nav. - Buenos AiresRed flag with a white lozenge nearly touching the edges of the flag. A blue anchor in the middle with S and A, in blue, on either side of the anchor, respectively.
Shipping lines: Buenos Aires - La Plata, Brazil Cargo and passenger steamboats: 8 Tonnage: ca 10,000 Regt. brutto.
Sud Atlantica Sociedad Anonima de Navegaçion [sic!]: Operated
pre WW1 with Lloyds 1904 [LLo04] indicating
that it was operated by Miguel Mihanovich, it appears to
have ceased operations around 1930. Talbot-Booth in his 1936 books
[tbb36] shows the flag under
Compañia Sud-Americana de Vapores in error.
Neale Rosanoski, 08 May 2003
In the 1930 Larousse Commercial house flag pages
[hok30] this flag — red with white
diamond, its four points touching the flag’s edges; in the diamond,
a blue upright anchor (without rope) accompanied by blue letters S and A,
left and right of the stock respectively — is misidentified as that of
Cia SudAmericana de Vapores, Valparaiso.
Jan Mertens, 29 Oct 2003 and 01 May 2004
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